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Stiglitz, Joseph

Nobel laureate economist, professor at Columbia University, former World Bank chief economist and Clinton administration adviser, author of The Road to Freedom and The Price of Inequality

LES « VALEURS » LIBÉRALES SONT UN LEURRE : la liberté est menacée partout - Joseph Stiglitz

Elucid · Jan 18, 2025

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Core ideas

Stiglitz argues that neoliberalism failed to deliver on its own promise of economic and political freedom, framing his central thesis as "one person's freedom is another person's unfreedom" (citing Isaiah Berlin's image that freedom for wolves means death for sheep). He contends that deregulation granted banks the freedom to exploit ordinary people, cigarette companies the freedom to sell a lethal product without disclosure, and oil companies the freedom to pollute — freedoms for corporations purchased at the expense of freedom for the rest of society. He argues that neoliberalism was largely a rebranding of older ideas, contrasting the more subtle 19th-century liberalism of John Stuart Mill (concerned with tolerance and freedom of thought) with what he sees as its 21st-century Republican inheritors actively engaging in censorship (citing restrictions on what Florida universities may teach) even as they invoke that same liberal tradition.

He defends regulation as a precondition of freedom rather than its opposite, using traffic lights as a simple example of low-cost regulation that enables everyone to move rather than restricting them, and cites pollution controls and post-Depression financial regulation (which prevented major financial crises for over half a century until deregulation reintroduced the risk, culminating in 2008) as further evidence that markets require rules to function well. He reframes Adam Smith's "invisible hand" as largely absent in practice: self-interest can generate profit either through genuine innovation and lower-cost production (Smith's intended mechanism) or through exploitation — market power, informational asymmetries, and exploitation of consumer vulnerabilities — and he argues that too large a share of contemporary profit comes from the latter. He cites Trump University as a concrete case where courts found that profits were generated through exploitation and legal violation rather than innovation, and argues that Friedman and Hayek were "180 degrees wrong" in linking economic and political freedom, since unfettered markets produced trickle-down economics that failed in practice: rising GDP alongside stagnant middle-class incomes and declining incomes at the bottom, generating what he calls, citing Case and Deaton's Deaths of Despair, a documented decline in US life expectancy — a despair he argues fuels the turn toward authoritarian populism, making his book's title The Road to Freedom a direct rebuttal of Hayek's The Road to Serfdom: it is insufficient government and excessive inequality, not excessive government (as in Scandinavia), that correlates with the growth of authoritarian populism.

Drawing on his earlier book The Price of Inequality, he argues that societies with excessive inequality both grow more slowly and create fertile ground for demagogues, concluding that any society wishing to sustain democracy must limit income and wealth inequality. He systematically challenges the notion that inequality reflects "just deserts": inherited wealth is not earned by the heir regardless of the effort of the original wealth creator; much American wealth traces back to the legacy of slavery (forced labor, not market exchange) or to historical exploitation such as the 19th-century opium trade with China (fought for by Western military force) that would today be called narco-trafficking; and even in a competitive equilibrium, prevailing wages and prices reflect the distribution of purchasing power inherited from prior rounds of exploitation. He extends this argument to property rights themselves, describing them as a social construction rather than a natural given — citing the biblical Jubilee's periodic debt forgiveness as a historical example of a differently structured property regime, and arguing that natural resources should belong to a country's people collectively rather than to whoever happens to own the land above them, noting that most countries (unlike the United States, which he considers to have made "the wrong decision") have adopted this principle for subsurface resources.

He observes that some Western elites, including corporate leaders he has spoken with over many years, recognize the limits of neoliberal capitalism and advocate stronger redistribution, rules, and competition policy, but expresses greater concern about a newer cohort of billionaires who cloak self-interest in a libertarian rhetoric he calls selectively applied — citing Elon Musk receiving roughly half a billion dollars in government support for Tesla while opposing government support for ordinary people, a practice Stiglitz says he and colleagues in the Clinton administration explicitly termed "corporate welfare" and sought to combat. He argues for a richer institutional ecology beyond a simple government/private-sector dichotomy — unions, class-action suits, civil society, cooperatives, not-for-profit universities (citing Columbia and Harvard) alongside state institutions — as necessary complements to markets, particularly as economies shift toward care work and knowledge production that markets alone cannot adequately provide.

On growth, he argues that continued growth remains necessary both to raise living standards where they remain inadequate and to finance an expensive but unavoidable green transition, while insisting the relevant question is the quality and nature of growth (moving away from purely materialistic, destructive growth) rather than growth as an undifferentiated goal — a nuance he offers in response to a suggestion that growth itself may be overvalued. Responding to the standard economic assumption of infinitely rational, infinitely selfish agents, he invokes Adam Smith's own emphasis on empathy (visible, he notes, in mutual aid during the Los Angeles fires) and argues that economic systems shape moral behavior: a system that rewards selfishness and dishonesty will produce more of both, and vice versa — illustrating with an anecdote about a Chinese mining executive who lobbied for stronger regulation precisely so that publicly accountable firms would not be undercut by unscrupulous competitors, showing that regulation can serve a coordinating function valuable even to well-intentioned actors.

He argues the social contract requires continual rewriting as societies change, and that neoliberalism's particular social contract — the promise that unleashing markets would eventually benefit everyone — has demonstrably failed (citing the pandemic's revelation of economic fragility, rising inequality, and slowing growth rates). He points to Gabriel Zucman's advocacy (discussed at the G20 in France) for a global minimum wealth tax as a concrete corrective, designed to address systematic wealth-tax avoidance by the very wealthy. He identifies the growth of monopolies and oligopolies, especially in Big Tech, as a further distortion of market economies more consequential than the monopoly power of oil, steel, and tobacco firms a century earlier, because today's digital giants also control media, communication, and political influence — citing regulatory failures such as allowing Facebook to acquire Instagram and WhatsApp, and arguing Google could still be broken up (separating its advertising business from search). He credits the Biden administration with beginning a serious antitrust effort against these monopolies but expresses concern about reversal under the subsequent administration, and describes the visible alignment of corporate giants behind Trump (via figures like Musk) as evidence of America's drift "from a democratic system to an oligarchic system," for which he sees democratic awareness and continued electoral participation — despite voter suppression, gerrymandering, and a Supreme Court he says has given money more power than it should — as the primary means of resistance.

On international economic governance, he argues that bilateral investment treaties, long justified as necessary to attract foreign investment, do not statistically improve outcomes for signatory countries relative to non-signatories, citing South Africa's decision to withdraw from such agreements and the removal of NAFTA's Chapter 11 investor-state dispute provision (which the US came to view as an intrusion on its own sovereignty after being sued by a Canadian firm) in the agreement that replaced it. He argues that free trade agreements of the past three to four decades have been overwhelmingly shaped by producer interests rather than the public interest, citing the Trans-Pacific Partnership's intellectual-property provisions restricting access to generic medicines as the starkest illustration of whose interests such agreements prioritize, and notes that increased public scrutiny of these provisions (following historically secretive negotiations) has generated the opposition that has stalled many recent trade deals.

He situates the current moment within a longer American historical cycle — the Gilded Age and "robber barons," corrected by the Progressive Era; the unequal Roaring Twenties, corrected by the Depression, war, and a postwar period of shared (if racially and gender exclusionary) prosperity; followed by roughly 45 years of neoliberalism — and expresses cautious optimism that the current authoritarian populist turn, itself a reaction to neoliberalism's failures, will in turn fail and give way to a renewed progressive era grounded in Enlightenment reasoning, while explicitly acknowledging the alternative possibility of a descent into a still worse form of authoritarianism. He concludes by identifying pervasive institutional secrecy — non-disclosure provisions in contracts, confidential terms in natural-resource extraction deals that prevent citizens from verifying whether fair prices were paid for their own resources — as an underappreciated driver of inequality and a corrosive force undermining democratic accountability, calling for renewed public debate over when secrecy should ever be permissible.

Excerpts

On the illusory nature of the invisible hand:

“The reason the Invisible Hand is invisible is because it's not there [...] neoliberalism gave the banks the freedom to exploit ordinary people, it gave the cigarette companies the freedom to kill, to produce a product that killed ordinary people without disclosing it.”

On inequality as a function of inheritance rather than merit:

“A lot of the inequalities are inherited inequalities — in what way does somebody who inherits wealth deserve it? [...] Sometimes I tease my students and say: you made one mistake, you chose the wrong parents.”

On pervasive secrecy as a driver of inequality:

“We have oil companies and other natural resource companies that may pay bribes, but the government says our contract is a secret, so we can't see whether they have paid a fair market price or not. [...] The prevalence of secrecy is undermining democracy and creating inequality.”